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Post by Sailor Earth on Jan 2, 2007 5:31:48 GMT -5
Because it's probably better to talk about that in it's own thread rather than take up the Christmas one I'm not a huge fan of the series myself, although I used to watch it a bit as a kid. I remember Tom Baker the most, then again who doesn't? Sylvester McCoy was pretty cool too though. I'm not into the new series as much as I thought I might be. I love David Tennant too so it's a real shame... The whole "romantic soap opera" feel has really killed it for me though.
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Post by stephen on Jan 2, 2007 5:42:00 GMT -5
Its nearly the opposite for me. I love the new series but I agree that the lovey dovey stuff is a load of hugwash! It just don't suit him.
But saying that i've been introduced to The Three Doctors by a friend and absolutely loved it! I've ordered the DVD and will probably start watching the Jon Pertwee and Pactrick Troughton series though.
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Post by Sailor Earth on Jan 2, 2007 5:46:06 GMT -5
Ooo grooviness! Often pays to start from the "beginning" for these things My b/f bought an inflatable Dalek the other day, hehe! It's pretty cool. Odd colours though. I still want a remote controlled one
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Jan 4, 2007 16:08:38 GMT -5
Post by red dwarf addict on Jan 4, 2007 16:08:38 GMT -5
Well, speaking as a pure Doctor Who fan (Old series and new) the reason the Doctor went "emo" over her was because when he first met her he was emotionally destroyed from the Timewar - and fair's fair, when your entire race and family are burnt right infront of your eyes in an immense battle you hadn't intended to survive, you're going to get a bit tetchy. He was haunted by the memories of what had happened, and his inability to stop it. So then was born the first Doctor that was actually unsure of himself. But then he met Rose, and she helped him through it, the embrace life again, and be happy... Coo, that was poetic.
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Jan 6, 2007 23:14:22 GMT -5
Post by Sailor Earth on Jan 6, 2007 23:14:22 GMT -5
Eeeeh.... Wasn't that whole 'home planet destruction' thing in the novels/books? And it was brought into the TV series aspect - which isn't always a good idea. I dunno. I think the whole "Time Lord wipeout" was a crappy idea. As my b/f says - some of the best stories were set with other Time Lords and on Gallifrey, so to not have access to that sort of thing... well... is a bit sh*te really... And soz. I just couldn't stand Rose. So nothing is going to sway me otherwise
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Jan 7, 2007 14:03:46 GMT -5
Post by red dwarf addict on Jan 7, 2007 14:03:46 GMT -5
Lol, wouldn't attempt to convince you otherwise. Anyway, what do I care? I just go with the flow. Guess it's more modernised now - if Gallifrey and the other Time Lords all existed and he always had them as like a central command and could get called back, it would be very "On my way, cap'n" kinda mission orders thing, if that makes any sense. Plus, all people wanna see nowadays is sex and violence, right? You write for your audience, and it seems to have got most kids, teens and adults hooked.
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Jan 7, 2007 19:28:22 GMT -5
Post by Sailor Earth on Jan 7, 2007 19:28:22 GMT -5
Lol, wouldn't attempt to convince you otherwise. Anyway, what do I care? I just go with the flow. Guess it's more modernised now - if Gallifrey and the other Time Lords all existed and he always had them as like a central command and could get called back, it would be very "On my way, cap'n" kinda mission orders thing, if that makes any sense. But from what I've seen of the "classic" series, he never did that anyway, LOL! He was sort of "renegade/rogue" wasn't he? He got into trouble but he still did his own thing regardless. It would just be cool to have some stories set on Gallifrey - at least it'd be a change from all the Earth bound ones! Well I can't speak for the majority, but that's not all I want to see. A little bit, perhaps, but not all the time. And in this instance, that's not what Dr Who was originally. What I see now is a loss of the old "adventure" aspect. There's more "soap opera" in it now, and a lot of "classic" fans don't like that. See it's all well and good to write for new audiences - but what about the old ones? The ones who were there in the beginning or who watched in the 70s, 80s? Some feel like they're being alienated. This new stuff has separated itself from the old - maybe that's good - but then why call it Dr Who if it's so different and lacks continuity? Eeh I dunno... I'm not a huge fan myself but I feel for the people who are, and who dislike what's been done. I know that if in 20 years time, Buffy was given a new series that wasn't being headed by Joss Whedon, I'd probably be a bit edgy - not that I see this happening, heh! But you never know. It could have been cool if they'd had a regeneration scene from Paul McGann into CE - or hey, why not keep McGann? He was pretty decent - he looked more the part. LOL rambling on I know. I just don't think it's catered a lot to the fans of old...
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Jan 8, 2007 14:48:48 GMT -5
Post by red dwarf addict on Jan 8, 2007 14:48:48 GMT -5
A lot of "classic" fans didn't like McGann - I don't count myself among them, 'cause I liked the movie, despite the Americanised-ness of it. Plus the ending was a little too nice. Plus all the production team of the new series like Davies, Moffat and Gatiss are practically all "classic" fans themselves, including David Tennant who is manically obssessed, and always has been since he was around five or so. They're just taking things a step further. It's good - it develops his character to a much wider audience; the audience who love that stuff. I mean, with only three bodies left, you haven't got much time to spare. From all the old "Kiwi Whovians" that I know and the boards I've been to, the general attitude towards the new series was definately positive. I can't comment, though. I've seen the old series, but I'm not a classic fan, for the simple reason that I'm...er...fourteen years old and was four years old when "The Enemy Within" was aired. Plus, all the old Doctors approve of it too. It's just development, and you can't have, to con a phrase, a "frigid" Doctor in a modern world anyway. Although I do tend to stick by two rules for fanfiction... 1. The Doctor and Rose must never have that kiss, and 2. The Doctor must never cry. (Acceptions being post-Doomsday fics, of course) Unless of course, I'm just being soppy. Ha, and you thought you were rambling!
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Jan 8, 2007 20:41:08 GMT -5
Post by Sailor Earth on Jan 8, 2007 20:41:08 GMT -5
LOL different strokes for different folks I guess.
I have met a few "Classic" Who fans who really don't like what's happened in the new series though.
And being a "fan" doesn't necessarily mean good writing, because they put the "fan fiction" aspect into it, which isn't really great - a guy my b/f and I know coined the phrase "Fan Wank", and it suits this perfectly, hah!
See I write Buffy fan-fiction, but I don't alter the canon (well, ok, perhaps I have with Faith, but I think a bit of development for her was needed in this instance) - then again, there are only 2 canon characters in this fic - it's more of a "spin off" series than a complete fan-fic.
Eeeh either way, no argument is going to sway the other. As you admitted, you're only 14 - you didn't grow up with "classic Who".
And I repeat - I LOVE David Tennant. But - not as the Doctor. There's just something about the way he plays the role that irks me. Or maybe it's the writing? The storylines? I don't like the romantic stuff involved.
You can re-vamp something, but it needs to fit in with the old style... Keep both the "classic" fans and the "new" fans happy - not just one or the other.
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Post by stephen on Jan 9, 2007 3:15:16 GMT -5
Why do I suddenly feel out of depth in this thread now?
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Post by Sailor Earth on Jan 9, 2007 4:29:02 GMT -5
LOL it's all good. You must not have a friend who is utterly obsessed with "Classic" Who Like I said before, I'm not a huge fan, and never really have been. But from my own observations, I'm drawing my own conclusions.
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Jan 9, 2007 14:32:58 GMT -5
Post by red dwarf addict on Jan 9, 2007 14:32:58 GMT -5
Like I said before, I'm not a huge fan, and never really have been. But from my own observations, I'm drawing my own conclusions. Same here. Meh, I'm no one. I know nothing, so maybe I shouldn't even be having this argument, lol. And I repeat - I LOVE David Tennant. Ha ha, I think we share a commoness. ;D Though I have seen him in most the things I can get my little fangirl hands on, and he's a brilliant actor to suit any role - so I'm gonna disagree with your opinion on that one Wow, I'm disagreeing mad with this Sorry
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Jan 9, 2007 19:39:05 GMT -5
Post by Sailor Earth on Jan 9, 2007 19:39:05 GMT -5
LOL! That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion as much as the next person. I don't want to get into a b*tchy fight over it anyway. I'm just trying to get across the view point of why people may not like the new stuff. Perhaps I don't like DT as the Doc because of the way he's been written - I think he's too manic. I think the Doctor should be "cooler" and "calmer" but still with a bit of intensity at the right moments. Someone like Julian Rhind Tutt in a Mac-from-Green-Wing type role perhaps See he knows he's good, but he doesn't have to say anything. The way 10 would say "I'm brilliant!" became a bit annoying to me. It made him seem arrogant - and yeah maybe the Doctor is anyway to some degree. But I prefer the subtle approach. But like I said before, different strokes for different folks. I'm not going to let a "fangirlie" love of an actor blind me to a performance that I see as being poorer than others. I think out of respect I'd owe it to DT to be honest about it. Perhaps there'd be room for improvement. Then again, having said that, the chances of me ever meeting him are slim to nothing, so I can't really tell him outright what my thoughts are I suppose it's good that there is a new fanbase for Dr Who. But I just hope that these new folk actually take the time out to watch the "classic" series as well - just to get a taste of where it all began. David Tennant and Christopher Eccleston weren't the only Doctors. And neither were Tom Baker and Paul McGann for that matter. I'm sure there is plenty to gain from watching Sylvester McCoy in action (Ace rocked as well! She'd kick Rose's butt any day ), or Jon Pertwee, or even my b/f's fave, little Patrick Troughton. Sure the special effects are crap. But who cares? It's about the storyline and characters people!
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Jan 10, 2007 14:59:37 GMT -5
Post by red dwarf addict on Jan 10, 2007 14:59:37 GMT -5
Lol! I agree on the Ace matter. She's kick Rose's butt, and the Doctor's too if he stepped outta line. And yeah, I also agree on the whole new fanbase seeing the old series - something I did, not just for research but for pleasure too - say if there was a new series of Red Dwarf (By some cray sort of rip in spacetime) I know I would want all the new fans to look at the old stuff too. And I doubt I will, but if I ever do meet DT, I'll tell him your thoughts
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Jan 10, 2007 18:02:04 GMT -5
Post by Sailor Earth on Jan 10, 2007 18:02:04 GMT -5
Lol! I agree on the Ace matter. She's kick Rose's butt, and the Doctor's too if he stepped outta line. And yeah, I also agree on the whole new fanbase seeing the old series - something I did, not just for research but for pleasure too - say if there was a new series of Red Dwarf (By some cray sort of rip in spacetime) I know I would want all the new fans to look at the old stuff too. Ooh god yes... But then again I think RD should be left as is in a way. Especially if anything new didn't involve the original crew Er... thanks... but that's ok... LOL! I don't want anything taken out of context I'd just say... "You should play more psychos! Like Barty Crouch Jr! And that dude in Secret Smile which I have downloaded but am yet to actually watch - but you look hot in the pictures..."
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